three fannish things make a happy post
I have had a crazy week, full of accomplishment and CLEANING ALL THE THINGS. Details forthcoming; at the moment it is very important that I do the bullet-points version of reaction posts to the many and varied things I have seen between my bouts of doing things.
i. Inception! My non-spoilery thoughts are that it did basically everything that I expect a Christopher Nolan film to do (in both the positive ways, ie the effects, oh my heart the effects and also the Hans Zimmer score, and the negative ways, ie someone really needs to sit Mr. Nolan down and talk to him kindly about his women) -- so, because I knew what I was in for when I went in, I was free to just wildly enjoy myself. Apparently there is already a huge post of Inception resources for those of us who are fannishly inclined; I have not had time to take a look, but I am delighted with the sudden explosion of fanworks. And I don't know about the rest of you guys, but I already have a blank doc open entitled 'Ariadne in the Labyrinth,' which hopefully will soon be less blank and full of my Thoughts on Ariadne. (Spoilers: most of them are "dfkldsfjkfdfsd I LOVE HER.")
ii. Sherlock! SHERLOCK. To be honest, I flat-out adored it. I understand that, among other things, our main characters are still all white guys, and that Moffat is doing most of his bad bits of writing women without doing most of his good bits, and that does knock my squee down to bearable levels. On the other hand, the little nods to canon have seized me by the heart and won't let me go, and -- as I was processing at some length with![[personal profile]](https://www.dreamwidth.org/img/silk/identity/user.png)
oliviacirce -- the Sherlock/John dynamic gets me where I live. Because, you see, Jeremy Brett of the Grenada series is my quintessential Holmes, and Jude Law of the new film is my quintessential Watson, but these two guys, this particular Sherlock and John, are my quintessential Holmes'n'Watson, these two mad, fucked-up, brilliant people who are actually capable of understanding each other.
I know a lot of people thought that the possibility of gay was textually brought up in order to be dismissed and made into a running joke, and I can see how that might happen, but from where I'm sitting, it genuinely hasn't happened yet. I really did read those scenes as John being bewildered at the suggestion because they'd only just met, and the scene in the cafe particularly as being less 'Straight man pretends to be okay with living in enlightened times but is actually quite glad his new flatmate is basically asexual' and more 'Man who genuinely doesn't give a damn one way or another is startled into asking if something is going on and is relieved to find out that they're both goddamn terrible at this social interaction thing, so maybe they should go solve crime.' And I do ship them. I ship them with quite a bit more expectation that they'd be functional in their dysfunction than I assume of most Holmes/Watson permutations. So yeah, I adored it.
Additionally, I've noticed that the vague suggestion that Benedict Cumberbatch (IS THAT NOT THE COOLEST NAME EVER BENEDICT CUMBERBATCH) should perhaps play the Twelfth Doctor. I ignored this suggestion because I am too busy loving Eleven to go around casting Twelve. However, someone on my flist -- I am sorry that I do not remember who you were! because your idea is fucking brilliant -- proposed that perhaps Cumberbatch should, instead, play Eleven's Master. And now I am completely weak in the knees, because I couldn't think of a single good candidate before, and I think he'd be perfect. He can do the weird young/old thing that Matt Smith does; he can do that calm, worrying sort of crazy; and he's just as odd-looking and of a comparable enough age to do a fantastic foil. If this doesn't happen now I will be a wee bit crushed.
iii. White Collar! This week's was charming without being memorable; it had a fun A-plot, but not even a fraction enough kinky subtext to get me jumping up and down and clapping like a seal, the way I often do. I'll be glad when show-time catches up with the end of Tiffani Thiessen's pregnancy, because I suspect that everything would be greatly improved by Moar Elizabeth.
Incidentally, USA filmed White Collar's panel at ComicCon. From it I have learned that Marsha Thomason (...and perhaps the whole cast, IDK) ships the OT3, that I am possibly a bit in love with Marsha Thomason and Tim DeKay, and that hopefully after episode six there should be Moar El. Also, the cast is adorable. <3
i. Inception! My non-spoilery thoughts are that it did basically everything that I expect a Christopher Nolan film to do (in both the positive ways, ie the effects, oh my heart the effects and also the Hans Zimmer score, and the negative ways, ie someone really needs to sit Mr. Nolan down and talk to him kindly about his women) -- so, because I knew what I was in for when I went in, I was free to just wildly enjoy myself. Apparently there is already a huge post of Inception resources for those of us who are fannishly inclined; I have not had time to take a look, but I am delighted with the sudden explosion of fanworks. And I don't know about the rest of you guys, but I already have a blank doc open entitled 'Ariadne in the Labyrinth,' which hopefully will soon be less blank and full of my Thoughts on Ariadne. (Spoilers: most of them are "dfkldsfjkfdfsd I LOVE HER.")
ii. Sherlock! SHERLOCK. To be honest, I flat-out adored it. I understand that, among other things, our main characters are still all white guys, and that Moffat is doing most of his bad bits of writing women without doing most of his good bits, and that does knock my squee down to bearable levels. On the other hand, the little nods to canon have seized me by the heart and won't let me go, and -- as I was processing at some length with
oliviacirce -- the Sherlock/John dynamic gets me where I live. Because, you see, Jeremy Brett of the Grenada series is my quintessential Holmes, and Jude Law of the new film is my quintessential Watson, but these two guys, this particular Sherlock and John, are my quintessential Holmes'n'Watson, these two mad, fucked-up, brilliant people who are actually capable of understanding each other. I know a lot of people thought that the possibility of gay was textually brought up in order to be dismissed and made into a running joke, and I can see how that might happen, but from where I'm sitting, it genuinely hasn't happened yet. I really did read those scenes as John being bewildered at the suggestion because they'd only just met, and the scene in the cafe particularly as being less 'Straight man pretends to be okay with living in enlightened times but is actually quite glad his new flatmate is basically asexual' and more 'Man who genuinely doesn't give a damn one way or another is startled into asking if something is going on and is relieved to find out that they're both goddamn terrible at this social interaction thing, so maybe they should go solve crime.' And I do ship them. I ship them with quite a bit more expectation that they'd be functional in their dysfunction than I assume of most Holmes/Watson permutations. So yeah, I adored it.
Additionally, I've noticed that the vague suggestion that Benedict Cumberbatch (IS THAT NOT THE COOLEST NAME EVER BENEDICT CUMBERBATCH) should perhaps play the Twelfth Doctor. I ignored this suggestion because I am too busy loving Eleven to go around casting Twelve. However, someone on my flist -- I am sorry that I do not remember who you were! because your idea is fucking brilliant -- proposed that perhaps Cumberbatch should, instead, play Eleven's Master. And now I am completely weak in the knees, because I couldn't think of a single good candidate before, and I think he'd be perfect. He can do the weird young/old thing that Matt Smith does; he can do that calm, worrying sort of crazy; and he's just as odd-looking and of a comparable enough age to do a fantastic foil. If this doesn't happen now I will be a wee bit crushed.
iii. White Collar! This week's was charming without being memorable; it had a fun A-plot, but not even a fraction enough kinky subtext to get me jumping up and down and clapping like a seal, the way I often do. I'll be glad when show-time catches up with the end of Tiffani Thiessen's pregnancy, because I suspect that everything would be greatly improved by Moar Elizabeth.
Incidentally, USA filmed White Collar's panel at ComicCon. From it I have learned that Marsha Thomason (...and perhaps the whole cast, IDK) ships the OT3, that I am possibly a bit in love with Marsha Thomason and Tim DeKay, and that hopefully after episode six there should be Moar El. Also, the cast is adorable. <3
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I made that exact observation a day or two ago on AIM. That is the most fantastic name ever, homg.
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You have the best ideas. I must open Photoshop immediately.
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Of course, if it did happen, inevitably there would be RPS between Matt Smith and Benedict, and even more inevitably there would be a pairing name-smoosh... How long before people started talking about the awesomeness of the CumSmith?*
*I couldn't help it, sorry!
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I... I think my brain just fell over. Sweet merciful God, that's excellent.
Moffat can do so many things that irritate me, but snappy dialogue and making mischief with canon are my kryptonite. And I'm embarrassingly easy for a decent Watson characterization. This show is almost my ideal happy place.
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And I'm embarrassingly easy for a decent Watson characterization.
I agree with this statement SO MUCH. Good Watson is one of the best things in the world.
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This is actually the first version I've seen that doesn't make me ship them like mad. Mainly because... Cumberbatch's Sherlock, to me, doesn't seem like an adult. He seems like a six-year-old who just happens to be really good at solving crimes, so is simultaneously controlled, looked down on, and exploited by the Real Adult Policemen. And John and Mycroft, at the moment, are there as his keepers. Putting this particular Holmes into any sort of romantic situation seems like... emotional pedophilia? So I'm hoping that over the course of the series Mycroft and John develop from caregivers into brother and S.O/friend, respectively, to Grown-Up (or at least growing-up) Sherlock.
And oh my god, Benedict Cumberbatch as the Eleven's Master. That would be amazing.
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Huh! I can completely see where you're coming from, actually, because he really doesn't function at all like a normal adult would. I definitely read him as grown-up and capable of functioning whenever he feels like it, but I wouldn't be surprised at all if they went in a John-as-Sherlock's-keeper direction.
Every time I contemplate Cumberbatch as Eleven's Master, I get weak-kneed with delight all over again. XD
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Here's hoping I can get it done soon!
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(want to have your mind really blown? Matt Smith auditioned for Holmes and didn't get it)
And Cumberbatch's full name--Benedict Timothy Carlton Cumberbatch--is even MORE hilariously British.
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I always want more Master, and I don't want to think about What Happens After Eleven, but yes, I saw quite a few people proposing Cumberbatch as Twelve! I'm sure he could do a good Doctor, too.
(Also, I believe that Matt Smith didn't get Holmes; I'm sure he's good enough, but I don't imagine he was quite what they were looking for. Also, we got him as Eleven instead, which is even better.)
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No but really, I do want all the fic that makes it make sense. I am going to write all the Ariadne fic that makes it make sense! And you are going to write all the Cobb/Mal? Or something?
PS, have you heard of the ring theory? IDK if I buy it, but I also don't know if I don't buy it because I want Cobb to be screwed.
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Huh! Well . . . I think it's very interesting, but I also think it's kind of bullshit. I mean, I don't think Nolan intended it to be an easter egg that would people would see and work out, exactly. And I don't think it was his totem, that's bullshit. I think possibly it was there to confirm that the ending was reality, if people wanted to see that. NOT THAT IT MATTERS, as the ending was clearly NOT reality. Nolan obviously thought it was open-ended, but really either way is so wildly full of holes that it makes no sense.
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P.S. I will fight you to the death re: women issues in the movie. Mal is the only character who's interesting or fleshed-out at all.
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And absolutely Mal is the only character who's interesting and fleshed out! She also happens to be dead. It is all very headachey.
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But she doesn't function as such for 90% of the film. Nearly all of it is dreams in which she's alive and flashbacks in which she's alive. It's not the same as a dead female character we never meet or see.
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GODDAMMIT SCOTTWORTH, WHAT IF WE AGREE ON SOMETHING. WE MIGHT BRING ABOUT THE APOCALYPSE.
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I want Elizabeth back too! I have to remember to watch the first half of this week's episode before next week.
Ariadne is awesome! I have seen posts saying that she was extraneous, but no, really, without her Cobb is completely screwed (I subscribe to the interpretation that he isn't, fyi) and there is no movie.
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...How is Ariadne extraneous? I mean, I can see where someone might get that idea, but -- I'd probably have to rewatch it, but I came away with the impression that the only reason they all got through it was that she was awesome and competent and got shit done.
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Also I am glad I am not the only person who read those conversations about being gay in that way. I didn't think anything of them except to think, oh, so adorably awkward they are, and then I went and looked around and apparently people were upset? *sigh*
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I can understand why people are upset! There is a definite trend in the current media to write in a plotline where gayness is brought up specifically to be dismissed, and possibly made a running joke of, but hey, it's still visible mentions of gayness, so they get points, right? And I definitely, vastly prefer Intentional Subtext to Textual Gayness As Joke. But the way it was played in Sherlock really felt much more like the thing that happens in shows where the main characters are assumed to be together and keep denying it until they realize that they are, in fact, supposed to be together -- sledgehammer foreshadowing, if you will. *shrug*
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Yes, this is true! It is frustrating to have gayness dismissed as a joke. But as you say, I did not read the scene that way. But if it DOES turn out to be that, over the course of the next episodes? I WILL BE SO ANGRY. *crosses fingers* (IF IT ACTUALLY BECAME TEXTUAL GAYNESS, THEN THAT WOULD BE MORE AWESOME THAN JOHN SIMM REGENERATING INTO BENDICT CUMBERBATCH. I THINK I WOULD ACTUALLY EXPLODE FROM THE AWESOME. Unfortunately the showrunner comments do not seem to support that reading...)
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We need more El on White Collar, I totally agree. Though I'm amused by all the neck-up shots, hahaha.
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I will be happy when El actually gets to hang out at the kitchen table with Peter and Neal again.
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Not seen Sherlock yet, but it's gone very close to the top of the List.
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Absolutely see it! See again re: smashing Holmes. :)
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THIS! And though word of god says otherwise, I genuinely er, don't care! I mean it makes me angry that Moffett has had to specifically stand up and say "oh ps, they're not gay!" but like, whatever, fuck authorial intent, I write what I want. I'm pretty sure Conan Doyle didn't write his detective with nicotine patches and a predilection for texting, either.
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And the Master idea is SUCH YES! He would be a great physical contrast for Matt Smith as well.
(I just saw Inception for the second time (in IMAX yesssss) and fff I find new things to think about every time someone brings this movie up. I love it so.)