mjolnir is not constructive

[aria]

File under: good reference conversations for the stupid epic Avengers fic I'm writing; also file under reasons I need to have a billion fannish gchats with were_duck.


were_duck: I have complicated feelings about how Loki thinks he needs to be a dominant but that role is just WRONG for him so he ends up bratting and acting out and he's so DAMAGED he can't accept a reasonably healthy relationship with Thor, who ALSO had to figure a lot of things out and finally might almost be ready to be what Loki needs, and Loki is even more confused because he's such a sadist, and sadists are supposed to be rulers, right? and he's full of self-loathing that he projects onto humans
aria: ahhh I am figuratively shrieking and running in circles now
aria: because I have a couple of friends who are hugely in favor of dom!Loki and I just have such a kneejerk "NO" to that and you have just articulated why!
were_duck: yeah, lol!no
were_duck: his wanting to be a dom is like, his entire PROBLEM.
were_duck: that's how he gets into shitty situations like terrible attempts to take over the universe.
were_duck: and he's so viciously repressed about it
were_duck: that's why he so sexist and speciesist and just plain EVIL
were_duck: he doesn't know how to channel his feelings appropriately!
aria: yes yes yes
aria: and Thor could probably help! if Loki just stopped for like five minutes so Thor could do something more constructive than knock him around mid-epic-battle
were_duck: well, Thor was TRYING to TELL him that on the mountain before he was so rudely interrupted by Iron Man
aria: RIGHT?
aria: that was in fact the closest Loki got to listening!
aria: and then BAM, IRON MAN
were_duck: yup!
were_duck: and I mean. Look how meek Loki was at the end, all gagged.
were_duck: and just. relaxed.
aria: sdklsdkfdjfd
aria: I was like IS THIS HAPPENING
aria: obviously they should've just tied him up and gagged him AGES ago
were_duck: I KNOW

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[red42]

I always figured that the reason Loki was so awful at ruling was because he was so much better at being a master of chaos. And maybe that's why all of his plans are so terrible, and keep failing. He's not a end-game thinker; he just loves setting up the pieces, knocking them down and delighting in the shitstorm that follows. Which doesn't mesh at all with being groomed as a ruler. He's just got an entirely opposite viewpoint of what it means to be in control, which has nothing to do with the (what should be dull and peaceful) rule and everything to do with instigating mayhem.

As for the dom thing.. I'm not sure I agree on pigeon-holing Loki into any particular role. The one thing you can be sure of is that he'll always take it too far. And that he's vicious and likes freaking people out (the eye-extraction bit? yeah). Essentially, I don't think he knows when, or how to stop, likes not having limits, and will end up terrifying anyone he's with because he'll always be pushing and taking whatever it is too far.