mjolnir is not constructive

[aria]

File under: good reference conversations for the stupid epic Avengers fic I'm writing; also file under reasons I need to have a billion fannish gchats with were_duck.


were_duck: I have complicated feelings about how Loki thinks he needs to be a dominant but that role is just WRONG for him so he ends up bratting and acting out and he's so DAMAGED he can't accept a reasonably healthy relationship with Thor, who ALSO had to figure a lot of things out and finally might almost be ready to be what Loki needs, and Loki is even more confused because he's such a sadist, and sadists are supposed to be rulers, right? and he's full of self-loathing that he projects onto humans
aria: ahhh I am figuratively shrieking and running in circles now
aria: because I have a couple of friends who are hugely in favor of dom!Loki and I just have such a kneejerk "NO" to that and you have just articulated why!
were_duck: yeah, lol!no
were_duck: his wanting to be a dom is like, his entire PROBLEM.
were_duck: that's how he gets into shitty situations like terrible attempts to take over the universe.
were_duck: and he's so viciously repressed about it
were_duck: that's why he so sexist and speciesist and just plain EVIL
were_duck: he doesn't know how to channel his feelings appropriately!
aria: yes yes yes
aria: and Thor could probably help! if Loki just stopped for like five minutes so Thor could do something more constructive than knock him around mid-epic-battle
were_duck: well, Thor was TRYING to TELL him that on the mountain before he was so rudely interrupted by Iron Man
aria: RIGHT?
aria: that was in fact the closest Loki got to listening!
aria: and then BAM, IRON MAN
were_duck: yup!
were_duck: and I mean. Look how meek Loki was at the end, all gagged.
were_duck: and just. relaxed.
aria: sdklsdkfdjfd
aria: I was like IS THIS HAPPENING
aria: obviously they should've just tied him up and gagged him AGES ago
were_duck: I KNOW

Comments

[tenlittlebullets]

YES. I mean, I enjoy Loki a lot more when he is being an awful little shit in Avengers than when he is emoing all over the place in Thor, but the entire reason his attention-seeking world-domination mayhem is compelling is that he is so transparently unfit for it. Well, for world domination I mean, obviously mayhem is his specialty--but one gets the sense that he has been raised as a prince of Asgard who is second in line to rule, and thus feels that (a) ruling is his birthright and his duty, and (b) he has been unfairly deprived of this and screwed over in Thor's favor (in addition to Odin's various other, ahem, unqualified successes at parenting). So he's got a massive chip on his shoulder and is looking for a planet to subjugate, but oh, honey, the insecurity and vulnerability are just rolling off you in waves through that paper-thin veneer of authority.

Not... that I can disapprove of dom!Loki at all, but dom!Loki is hot because of how over-the-top vicious and domineering he gets, and that is pure overcompensation. It's not that he's bad at it--he gets really into it. But it sits so unnaturally on him and his insecurity is so raw and open that the more into it he gets, the more he's actually just begging for someone to come along and deliver righteous smackdown whumpage.

[aria]

RIGHT? And ... hah, when I first read this comment I'm fairly sure I had actual things to say in response, but in fact I just want to copy-paste most of your words back at you and say YES about them. Oh, and possibly I was going to say that indeed Loki gets really into the world domination and isn't bad at it at all, but then he self-sabotages horribly, and I just. I have a lot of feelings about this.