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AVENGERS
Originally we were going to wait until Saturday like responsible adults, but last night Polaris got home from work and we stared at one another for about two seconds and then she ran back out of the house to buy us tickets to the midnight show. Our audience, unsurprisingly, was really into it. I wouldn't accuse them of being one of the best opening weekend crowds, but the entire theatre groaned and booed the preview of Battleship, and cheered lots for Amazing Spider-Man and Prometheus, which was pretty great. They also laughed and screamed and cheered -- sometimes all three at once -- which means I definitely missed some of this film's better lines. I guess I'll just have to see it again! Oh the hardship.
Before we get to everything I GLOWINGLY ADORED, I do want to observe that the universal incandescent glee over this film did knock my expectations absurdly high. And it was really, really great! It's a really admirable thing when an ensemble film can introduce everyone without feeling overly rushed, and can actually give its entire main cast plenty of screen time without skewing too heavily in any direction. The thing is, though, my own personal ratio of explosions-to-character-stuff has a bit more character stuff. I understand that there's at least half an hour of cut footage? I expect it's mostly NONSTOP CHARACTER STUFF, and I need it like burning.
And I guess while we're on the subject of things I'm being crotchety about, by which I mean action sequences, what even is with the SHIELD helicarrier? I mean, it's fucking awesome, but it seems like such a terrible plan to stick it a mile in the air with Loki on board, so it ended up feeling a bit like a set piece for an action sequence, and then whatever, that action sequence, I loved the final battle in New York about a billion times more.
In things that I loved: EVERYTHING ELSE.
There's no way I'm going to tackle this with anything approaching order, so first, SHIELD! Nick Fury is totally excellent and apparently INVINCIBLE and also a stone-cold bastard, damn. I know this is hardly the point, but when Agent Hill points out that the Cap trading cards had been in Coulson's jacket, nowhere near the body, I kind of wanted to yell at the screen "Those were in MINT CONDITION, FURY!" Meanwhile I had been spoiled for Coulson so that death was just sad rather than heart-crushingly devastating, and also good goddamn, Phil, way to go out epic. I am entirely in favor of any and all fanwanking because a Coulsonless world is a barren world indeed, but I liked that it was actually a lot less horrible and unceremonious than a lot of Joss's character deaths are.
This is no kind of segue, but PEPPER POTTS ILU FOREVER, and I guess it's kind of a segue because I totally adored Pepper and Coulson's friendship. (And Tony's line, something about how Coulson isn't allowed to be called Phil, his first name is 'Agent'.) As usual I just adore everything about Pepper; she was having 12% of a moment! Stark Tower was her idea! I just, wow, I know they didn't get a lot of screen time but I have all the Tony/Pepper feelings now too; I'm still pretty convinced that relationship would become an absolute trainwreck with the addition of romance, but they were so completely adorable. And Pepper apparently has an arsenal of dirty little nothings that make Tony Stark make that face? I deeply want to know what the hell Pepper said to make Tony Stark make that face. Basically I just love themmmm.
I also love Tony, but this is old news. I love that he's secretly the most heroic of any of them -- I mean, presumably if any of them had had the opportunity and capability to chase the nuke and lob it through a wormhole they would have done it, but Tony calling Pepper to say goodbye, and the look of quiet grace when the suit shuts down and he's pretty sure he'll be caught in the blast and not make it back through -- saaklsfkjfd. And of course his interactions with both Bruce and Steve were just fucking excellent. BRUCE. STEVE.
Oh god I was told that Bruce was going to be the unexpected best part of the film but WOW was Bruce one of the best parts of the film! All his quiet damage, and "I'm angry all the time," and the bit where Hulk punches Thor right off-screen damn that was hilarious, and his SCIENCE BROS time with Tony, can we talk about how amazing his Science Bros time with Tony was, and how easy and oddly gentle and respectful and still full of snark Tony was around him. I LOVED IT SO MUCH, NEW SHIP, HOIST THE SAILS, IT IS A SHIP THAT RUNS ON SCIENCE.
And meanwhile Tony and Steve were great, because obviously, although I really want that extra half-hour back, because I hear it has things like Peggy, and Tony Has Daddy Issues: The Sequel, and all that good stuff. I absolutely adored the bit where they're in each other's faces talking about suiting up and fighting it out, and then DISASTER, and they decide it's time to suit up and fight together instead, and they work so well together! And the bit where Tony snaps that they're not soldiers! And really everything about Steve, jfc I wanted to give him about a million hugs. "I get that reference!"
It looks like this reaction post is delighted paragraphs about Avengers. Okay, in that case, NATASHA FUCKING ROMANOFF. Her complete poise and calm under pressure, whether she's interrogating Russian mobsters or shaking like mad while evading the Hulk! Her deep quiet damage! That scene with Loki, oh my god, obviously like everyone else I love the bit where she tricked him into giving away part of his plan, but what I really adored was the fragmented pieces of dark backstory. And her relationship with Clint, skfdkfd. New bulletproof OTP, okay, love is for children but they owe one another debts. DAMN. Clint was totally excellent too; I really dig that he's crazy competent no matter if he's busy being hypnotized or not, and okay, time for the first genuinely shallow thing, CLINT'S ARMS, DAMN, BOY.
And that's all the things I loved that are not on the brain channel that is on at full blast right now, so. Loki. LOKI. LOKI WAS THAT LEGITIMATELY AN EVEN WORSE PLAN THAN THE ONE TO DESTROY JOTUNHEIM? BECAUSE THAT TAKES SOME FUCKING DOING, BABY, AND YOU ACTUALLY MANAGED IT. One of the things I really desperately want is all the fic about everything that happened to him between his fall and where we see him at the beginning of the film. (I would be totally cool if Tom Hiddleston wrote this fic, because he keeps on verbally writing bits of it in interviews. "He kind of goes through the Seventh Circle of Hell," oh my god shut up shut uuup HOW WILL I LIVE.) Possibly one of my favorite Loki scenes is the one where he -- projects himself, I guess, for a chat with the Other, and you can tell how desperately far in over his head he is. I mean, it's worth pointing out that Loki is in fact pretty good at killing and subjugating his own damn self, and that he's going the Chitauri army route because it gives him something to command. WORST LIFE CHOICES.
Meanwhile I also need to give Thor a memo, and it is called MAYBE YOU SHOULD TRY A DIFFERENT TACTIC NOW. Because Thor's tactic is basically, "Tell Loki I love him, act bewildered when he laughs this down, punch him in the face because that's easier than actually unpacking his vicious trauma." Not the best tactic! And Loki's rewrite of what happened on the Bifrost breaks my heart; "Father rejected me and I let go" becomes "You caused me to fall." And sdkjdk the whole scene on the cliff side! The ravens flapping heavily past, and Loki telling Thor about always being in his shadow, and Thor still doesn't get it. And the bit on top of Stark Tower, where Loki snarls "Sentiment" before throwing Thor through a window, and hey look, there are those shiny teary eyes I remember! Listen, there was an Avengers film and a Thor&Loki film, and I loved both of them but the Thor&Loki one gets me where I live.
Um, sweeping up the last stray Loki thoughts, some other things I really liked: he was ... much more properly Loki in this than in Thor? By which I think I mean that even though he was still made primarily of horrifying damage, he did his God of Mischief thing a lot more, both in the trolling smirks department and in the way he successfully sewed chaos. Just as much subtlety, more violent hilarity! Let's see. Also, the bit in Germany with the eye and the -- wait wait don't edge back like that! It was horrifying! I just really loved how when we first get a panning shot of that fancy room there's a decorative altar thing and my first thought was "That had BETTER be used as a proper altar" and then Loki threw someone over it for the taking of eyes! So that was, um, narratively satisfying? Yeah. I also loved the bit at the end when Loki crawls out of his Hulk-made crater, finds himself on the business end of every Avenger, and says he'd like that drink now; I don't know if it was his innocent eyebrows or the general earnestness or what but it was a total Tom moment and I went melty with aww, as I'm sure Loki intended. Oh god and then at the end when Thor's going to take him back to Asgard, that was absolutely a mouth-sewn-shut reference, right? There is legitimately no reason to have Loki chained up and gagged like that except as [a] mythological references and [b] to make my brain melt.
In conclusion, I would love roughly a billion more of these films, by which I mean I am stupidly psyched for Iron Man 3 and Thor 2 (!!!) and the probably-happening new Hulk which I actually have some faith in, and man can't they just make Avengers 2 INSTANTLY? That would be pretty great.
Now I'm going to have lunch and watch last night's Community and do my best to convince my brain that I need to get a few things done today and cannot actually neglect everything including food in favor of writing the torrent of Thor/Loki fic that is building up in my mind.
Before we get to everything I GLOWINGLY ADORED, I do want to observe that the universal incandescent glee over this film did knock my expectations absurdly high. And it was really, really great! It's a really admirable thing when an ensemble film can introduce everyone without feeling overly rushed, and can actually give its entire main cast plenty of screen time without skewing too heavily in any direction. The thing is, though, my own personal ratio of explosions-to-character-stuff has a bit more character stuff. I understand that there's at least half an hour of cut footage? I expect it's mostly NONSTOP CHARACTER STUFF, and I need it like burning.
And I guess while we're on the subject of things I'm being crotchety about, by which I mean action sequences, what even is with the SHIELD helicarrier? I mean, it's fucking awesome, but it seems like such a terrible plan to stick it a mile in the air with Loki on board, so it ended up feeling a bit like a set piece for an action sequence, and then whatever, that action sequence, I loved the final battle in New York about a billion times more.
In things that I loved: EVERYTHING ELSE.
There's no way I'm going to tackle this with anything approaching order, so first, SHIELD! Nick Fury is totally excellent and apparently INVINCIBLE and also a stone-cold bastard, damn. I know this is hardly the point, but when Agent Hill points out that the Cap trading cards had been in Coulson's jacket, nowhere near the body, I kind of wanted to yell at the screen "Those were in MINT CONDITION, FURY!" Meanwhile I had been spoiled for Coulson so that death was just sad rather than heart-crushingly devastating, and also good goddamn, Phil, way to go out epic. I am entirely in favor of any and all fanwanking because a Coulsonless world is a barren world indeed, but I liked that it was actually a lot less horrible and unceremonious than a lot of Joss's character deaths are.
This is no kind of segue, but PEPPER POTTS ILU FOREVER, and I guess it's kind of a segue because I totally adored Pepper and Coulson's friendship. (And Tony's line, something about how Coulson isn't allowed to be called Phil, his first name is 'Agent'.) As usual I just adore everything about Pepper; she was having 12% of a moment! Stark Tower was her idea! I just, wow, I know they didn't get a lot of screen time but I have all the Tony/Pepper feelings now too; I'm still pretty convinced that relationship would become an absolute trainwreck with the addition of romance, but they were so completely adorable. And Pepper apparently has an arsenal of dirty little nothings that make Tony Stark make that face? I deeply want to know what the hell Pepper said to make Tony Stark make that face. Basically I just love themmmm.
I also love Tony, but this is old news. I love that he's secretly the most heroic of any of them -- I mean, presumably if any of them had had the opportunity and capability to chase the nuke and lob it through a wormhole they would have done it, but Tony calling Pepper to say goodbye, and the look of quiet grace when the suit shuts down and he's pretty sure he'll be caught in the blast and not make it back through -- saaklsfkjfd. And of course his interactions with both Bruce and Steve were just fucking excellent. BRUCE. STEVE.
Oh god I was told that Bruce was going to be the unexpected best part of the film but WOW was Bruce one of the best parts of the film! All his quiet damage, and "I'm angry all the time," and the bit where Hulk punches Thor right off-screen damn that was hilarious, and his SCIENCE BROS time with Tony, can we talk about how amazing his Science Bros time with Tony was, and how easy and oddly gentle and respectful and still full of snark Tony was around him. I LOVED IT SO MUCH, NEW SHIP, HOIST THE SAILS, IT IS A SHIP THAT RUNS ON SCIENCE.
And meanwhile Tony and Steve were great, because obviously, although I really want that extra half-hour back, because I hear it has things like Peggy, and Tony Has Daddy Issues: The Sequel, and all that good stuff. I absolutely adored the bit where they're in each other's faces talking about suiting up and fighting it out, and then DISASTER, and they decide it's time to suit up and fight together instead, and they work so well together! And the bit where Tony snaps that they're not soldiers! And really everything about Steve, jfc I wanted to give him about a million hugs. "I get that reference!"
It looks like this reaction post is delighted paragraphs about Avengers. Okay, in that case, NATASHA FUCKING ROMANOFF. Her complete poise and calm under pressure, whether she's interrogating Russian mobsters or shaking like mad while evading the Hulk! Her deep quiet damage! That scene with Loki, oh my god, obviously like everyone else I love the bit where she tricked him into giving away part of his plan, but what I really adored was the fragmented pieces of dark backstory. And her relationship with Clint, skfdkfd. New bulletproof OTP, okay, love is for children but they owe one another debts. DAMN. Clint was totally excellent too; I really dig that he's crazy competent no matter if he's busy being hypnotized or not, and okay, time for the first genuinely shallow thing, CLINT'S ARMS, DAMN, BOY.
And that's all the things I loved that are not on the brain channel that is on at full blast right now, so. Loki. LOKI. LOKI WAS THAT LEGITIMATELY AN EVEN WORSE PLAN THAN THE ONE TO DESTROY JOTUNHEIM? BECAUSE THAT TAKES SOME FUCKING DOING, BABY, AND YOU ACTUALLY MANAGED IT. One of the things I really desperately want is all the fic about everything that happened to him between his fall and where we see him at the beginning of the film. (I would be totally cool if Tom Hiddleston wrote this fic, because he keeps on verbally writing bits of it in interviews. "He kind of goes through the Seventh Circle of Hell," oh my god shut up shut uuup HOW WILL I LIVE.) Possibly one of my favorite Loki scenes is the one where he -- projects himself, I guess, for a chat with the Other, and you can tell how desperately far in over his head he is. I mean, it's worth pointing out that Loki is in fact pretty good at killing and subjugating his own damn self, and that he's going the Chitauri army route because it gives him something to command. WORST LIFE CHOICES.
Meanwhile I also need to give Thor a memo, and it is called MAYBE YOU SHOULD TRY A DIFFERENT TACTIC NOW. Because Thor's tactic is basically, "Tell Loki I love him, act bewildered when he laughs this down, punch him in the face because that's easier than actually unpacking his vicious trauma." Not the best tactic! And Loki's rewrite of what happened on the Bifrost breaks my heart; "Father rejected me and I let go" becomes "You caused me to fall." And sdkjdk the whole scene on the cliff side! The ravens flapping heavily past, and Loki telling Thor about always being in his shadow, and Thor still doesn't get it. And the bit on top of Stark Tower, where Loki snarls "Sentiment" before throwing Thor through a window, and hey look, there are those shiny teary eyes I remember! Listen, there was an Avengers film and a Thor&Loki film, and I loved both of them but the Thor&Loki one gets me where I live.
Um, sweeping up the last stray Loki thoughts, some other things I really liked: he was ... much more properly Loki in this than in Thor? By which I think I mean that even though he was still made primarily of horrifying damage, he did his God of Mischief thing a lot more, both in the trolling smirks department and in the way he successfully sewed chaos. Just as much subtlety, more violent hilarity! Let's see. Also, the bit in Germany with the eye and the -- wait wait don't edge back like that! It was horrifying! I just really loved how when we first get a panning shot of that fancy room there's a decorative altar thing and my first thought was "That had BETTER be used as a proper altar" and then Loki threw someone over it for the taking of eyes! So that was, um, narratively satisfying? Yeah. I also loved the bit at the end when Loki crawls out of his Hulk-made crater, finds himself on the business end of every Avenger, and says he'd like that drink now; I don't know if it was his innocent eyebrows or the general earnestness or what but it was a total Tom moment and I went melty with aww, as I'm sure Loki intended. Oh god and then at the end when Thor's going to take him back to Asgard, that was absolutely a mouth-sewn-shut reference, right? There is legitimately no reason to have Loki chained up and gagged like that except as [a] mythological references and [b] to make my brain melt.
In conclusion, I would love roughly a billion more of these films, by which I mean I am stupidly psyched for Iron Man 3 and Thor 2 (!!!) and the probably-happening new Hulk which I actually have some faith in, and man can't they just make Avengers 2 INSTANTLY? That would be pretty great.
Now I'm going to have lunch and watch last night's Community and do my best to convince my brain that I need to get a few things done today and cannot actually neglect everything including food in favor of writing the torrent of Thor/Loki fic that is building up in my mind.
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YES. A SHIP THAT RUNS ON SCIENCE and also mutual respect for each other whilst simultaneously hating themselves but maybe able to extend some compassion to each other and and I have feelings.
ALSO NATASHA AND PEPPER AND STEEEEVE AND OH MY GOD I JUST HAVE ALL THESE FEELINGS.
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...also, while I was writing this comment an entire Avengers-found-family novel just unspooled itself in my brain, which is pretty awesome but also horrifying and time-consuming! (And of course it involves Loki as part of the Avengers-found-family because me. And because most of the Avengers would be really not down with this and it would create PLOT! oh help.)
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THIS IS A POOR THING TO MENTION TO ME IF YOU DON'T ACTUALLY PLAN TO WRITE IT, BECAUSE YOU LIVE WITH ME
and also because I am actively manic from sleep deprivation right now.
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right now I am planning Natasha & Clint's epic adventures! although actually that's a lie, I was going to but then I got distracted by articles on Thanos and the Cosmic Cube, because this fucker's gonna have PLOT.
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oh my god please bounce ideas off me when I am home and have had a chance to nap
also I need a paid account and all the Avengers icons YESTERDAY
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And until the end I still had hope, maybe he did survive and Nick just faked it but... ;_;
And the way Loki LOOKED after Hulk beat him up, totally unbelieving ;_;
AND FUCKING NATASHA!!!! SHE WINS ALL MY AWARDS!
And yes. Tony/Bruce is a thing now...
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NATASHAAAAAAA. Oh my god she needs her own movie.
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"LOKI. LOKI WAS THAT LEGITIMATELY AN EVEN WORSE PLAN THAN THE ONE TO DESTROY JOTUNHEIM? BECAUSE THAT TAKES SOME FUCKING DOING, BABY, AND YOU ACTUALLY MANAGED IT."
Now, I wouldn't quite say it was a worse plan! Equally bad in a different way! At least he had a goal this time! He knew what he wanted out of his plan! It was just... even more destined to failure. The other plan worked, but the end result was unsatisfactory because he had no idea what he was working on.
Speaking of Tom Hiddleston, apparently his favorite Shakespeare monologue is Once more into the breach from Henry V. I'm in love, I tell you.
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"Equally bad in a different way" is probably the best way of describing it, yes! And ... yeah, completely destined to failure. Oh Loki. Maybe if you had different life goals?
sdkjfdkdf Hiddleston's rendition of Once more into the breach, oh my god it's one of the most delightful things I've ever seen.
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Oh, Loki. You and your stupid plans. I can't wait to see the next one...
I DON'T KNOW WHERE HE'S BEEN ALL MY LIFE.
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science broooooos
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Soooo what is yours?
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Except it is ALL NATASHA ALL THE TIME with enormous side helpings of Clint.
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BLESS YOU.
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BARFILM!I AM THE MOST JEALOUS THAT YOU GOT A PROMETHEUS TRAILER!!!!!
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ALSO IF YOU EVER WANT TO TALK ABOUT LOKI FEELINGS, I HAVE THIS WHOLE STORE OF LOKI FEELINGS THAT MAKES ME WRITE ABSURD NOVEL-LENGTH FIC ABOUT HIM
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UGH I NEED ICONS.
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Also Tony/Bruce please! I am on the Tony/everyone bandwagon, I think, in that I am just really on the Tony bandwagon and want to push him together with all possible candidates just for more variety.
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Pfft, yep, Tony is also my little black dress of the Avengers. MORE TONY FOR ALL.
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Now having said this -- if Coulson is alive, Fury is arguably in serious danger of losing his other eye (and/or certain other parts of his anatomy) if he fails to come up with a replacement set of vintage near-mint Captain America trading cards. Unless of course (and this can't be discounted) Fury already had a second set of trading cards in his back pocket in the event of just such an opportunity, and the originals are in fact still in Coulson's locker.
Although in that case, Fury will have a different set of problems when one or more of the Avengers finds out about the duplicates. (Probably Tony, via the second set of viral spyware that he installed on the helicarrier while Fury was disarming the virus Tony meant him to find and disarm....)
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I stumbled on you during one of those directionless 'wanderings through LJ/DW looking for Avengers posts' forays.
You ever want to talk about Loki or Natasha or.. frankly any of them, they are all my favourites, I just have too many Avengers feelings.
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Sooo many Avengers feelings, but unfortunately none of them are more coherent than flailing joy right now; I suspect I will end up expressing my feelings via fic.
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Sounds like a much more productive method at coping.. My method consists of dragging separate friends to see the movie, not mentioning how many times I've already seen it, them bombarding the poor dears with my feelings. Its working for me, but not for my wallet.
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Also everything else too, but srsly SCIENCE BROS. One of the reasons Tony/Pepper is satisfying is because putting Tony next to someone he respects and admires is super-interesting, and I got that same vibe from Tony/Bruce. Ungh. Respect. So hot.
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Okay so the problem with the dysfunctional-found-family Avengers fic I'm attempting to write is that I want to ship Tony/everyone! Which only has anything to do with your comment insofar as I want both Tony/Pepper and Tony/Bruce, but! I am not sure Pepper would be down with him dating other people too! PLEASE GIVE ME YOUR THOUGHTS, apparently I am hijacking this comment to ask for brainstorming on plausible ways to write plausible functional poly Avengers.
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I don't know, it's a real dilemma because I want Tony/Bruce + Tony/Pepper toooooo! Maybe Pepper is okay with it if she gets to WATCH. Actually that is a good idea. Imagine Pepper sitting on a straight-backed chair in the corner of the room, wearing a full business suit, legs crossed, waiting unblinkingly for Tony and Bruce to get it on. Bruce would be shy and shit, Tony would be into it and making jokes but secretly nervous, it could be awesome.
Or, I mean, Pepper is really really used to Tony being a loser, so she might eventually just institute an honesty policy. And Tony keeps saying that he's never going to make out with anyone ever than her ever again, and she's like, uh-huh, just tell me about it afterwards and use protection, and then he keeps coming home and being like, siiiiighhhh I had sex with Captain America again and Pepper's like, uh-huh get me a beer. Like, a lot of Pepper/Tony interaction involves how well they know each other and how cognizant and accepting Pepper is of Tony's faults, so I could see a fic in which maybe she doesn't LIKE him sleeping with other people, anymore than she LIKES it when he puts on a metal suit and tries to fly a nuclear bomb into a wormhole, but she knew what it would be like going into the relationship and she can make compromises.
This makes me imagine a story in which Pepper is Tony's dom and they do 24/7 D/s and Pepper orders Tony to give other people oral because she knows that he wants permission to do it and doesn't want to ask for permission to do it.
Which in turn makes me think about how IMPOSSIBLE it would be to institute relationship rules of ANY KIND on Tony Stark, because he would just be helplessly prodding at the edges of the rules all the time, looking for clarification, if this isn't allowed what about this, what's the difference between these things, etc. In which case it's almost like you need a world in which Pepper gives Tony a NEW set of relationship rules every week, to keep him from getting bored AND to keep him from breaking them.
These are some thoughts that I had! I hope you can work it out b/c I am all aboard the Tony/Bruce ship and want to see how that can be done without fucking with Pepper.
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ALL THE FIC ABOUT PEPPER, is what I think I'm saying here. All the fic about Pepper being competent and knowing how a relationship with Tony works, and -- hey, there's probably a universe in which Tony finds himself sleeping around less, like, he keeps on sleeping with Bruce or Steve but less with hot ladies he doesn't know very well because he just doesn't have the time, and meanwhile Pepper is on really good terms with Bruce and Steve, and Tony isn't sure whether this is really scary or a really good thing.
Also, Steve and Bruce! I think Bruce would be really chill about Tony sleeping with other people, because they're science bros with occasional sex, but Steve would have real difficulty with it. I mean, Steve's sexuality is a whole other can of worms and you can go the route that Steve's an earnest virgin who's had nary a queer thought back in the good old days, or that Steve had a wartime thing with Bucky and absolutely understands the reasons that soldiers might sleep with each other, but I think he'd still have a difficult time reconciling Tony sleeping with him AND Bruce AND Pepper.
(Hey there, buddy, I'm absolutely using you as a fic sounding board right now! I hope this is acceptable. <3)
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(Or, to come at it from another direction, to consider that it might make Hulk angry to realize that Bruce is getting his share of cuddling on a regular basis, and Hulk isn't getting any at all?)
Which strikes me as leading inevitably to Hulk/Thor. (And potentially to some serious complications in the Bruce/Steve and Bruce/Tony equations....)
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Also, Steve and Bruce! I think Bruce would be really chill about Tony sleeping with other people, because they're science bros with occasional sex, but Steve would have real difficulty with it.
Yup yup yup! Man I love that it's just CANON now that they're science bros that have sex, just, you know, accepted fact: sexy science bros. And I think you're absolutely right about Steve . . . for me, I think I see Steve and Tony having sex for the first time in EXACTLY that comrades-in-arms way, and thus the journey for Steve would be in realizing that there's a Thing between them and that it's okay and that it's also okay for Tony to have A Thing with other people at the same time.
In short, I hope this story is a giant fic with like five people in a polyamorous relationship, each with their own POV line, backstory, emotional journeys, and unique relationships to each of the others! That is what I hope. ;)
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YES YES ALL OF THIS. Okay, you have officially untangled the scariest and most complicated plotline of this fic, because definitely one of the three main relationship arcs is the Tony with Pepper, Bruce, and Steve one and that one was DAUNTING. I mean, it is still daunting, in large part because I'm skeptical of my ability to write in accurate Tony voice, but it is actually doable now!
(The other relationship arcs, incidentally, are Natasha/Clint[/possibly Coulson pending what I decide to do about him], and Thor/Loki; those ones I have a much better handle on, although if you have any Thoughts on those relationships I am always a fan of your thoughts. :D)
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although if you have any Thoughts on those relationships I am always a fan of your thoughts. :D)
ha, well, tbh I'm really invested in Natasha-Clint non-sexual friendship comrades-in-arms bros4evs, and don't think I could care less about Thor or Loki or Thor/Loki (I tried to get it, but I just . . . I don't get it). So I doubt I'd be much help with those! I like Coulson a lot, and would love scenes of him having cheerful friendly sex with his fellow agents, but that's about all I got. Sooooo maybe now you are NO LONGER a fan of my thoughts???
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I may yet come running to you with more Tony-and-his-various-relationships troubleshooting, though! Because you are really impressively good at that. :D
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I actually sort of really think Coulson is really dead. Him being really dead actually solves the problem of "low emotional stakes" in my fic that was JOSSED BY JOSS, so I'm going to go with it.
NATASHA. CLINT. But mostly NATASHA. And also Maria Hill, damn! They did a great job. As much as I would love more character moments I was very satisfied by the character moments in the action! They did a really good job of making those two things go together.
IN CONCLUSION I NEED TO SEE IT AGAIN ASAP
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And honestly I am excited for all the fic in which Coulson isn't dead but I am also excited for all the fic that takes the film at face value and does interesting things with Coulson being actually dead.
NATASHA GODDAMN I WANT LIKE THREE FILMS JUST ABOUT HER, I WOULD WATCH ALL OF THEM A MILLION TIMES.
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P.S. We need to hang out soon. GRAD SCHOOL IS OOOOOOVER.
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Also wow do I want Natasha to be the leader of the Avengers because she actually gets shit done. <3
YES let us hang out! My weekdays are laughably free now if yours are, and if they are not I would be quite happy to swing weekend hangouts -- hell, I'm going shopping in a little while but if for some mad reason you want to meet up in Harvard Square late this afternoon you could totally come over for dinner, Housemate K is making epic pasta and we would be delighted with the company.
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WHEN WILL YOU BE THERE IN THE AFTERNOON? This would be an excellent motivator for me to a) finish my laundry, and b) finally go grocery shopping. ♥
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Eee okay excellent! Housemate K is going to try for a 7pm dinner, but there will be cooking adventures beforehand -- want to meet around 5, maybe? (Also we are heading out shopping quite soon, but I have your phone number if we want to ~plan via text~.) :DDD
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Although you make a very good point about having Loki a mile up in the air=not a good idea.
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