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valinor spider party ([personal profile] aria) wrote2010-05-04 01:29 pm

living in a den of thieves

What everyone has been linking to (and what doesn't necessarily deserve a signal-boost, but I am nevertheless enjoying the discussion it's generating): Diana Gabaldon's anti-fanfic blogpost.

I'm pretty sure that ye olde fandom circles have already covered all the ways that she is Wrong On The Internet -- everything from the flawed analogy of the creepy neighbor to her misinformed understanding of copyright law to the heinous tone of having the moral high ground for being Published For Reals and not writing any filthy, aesthetically displeasing fanwork -- but the point that made me tremble with rage was the assumption that fanfic is practice, that being Published For Monies is the only way to be a Legit Writer, and that if we're writing other people's characters we're just too lazy/uncreative/what-have-you to make up our own.

So let's break this down for a moment. In part this particular point got to me because, growing up, my parents were always supportive of my writing but also always at me to stop fucking around with fic and get some Legitimate Writing done. Eventually my rote defense became "It's practice! I'm getting feedback so that when I write my own stuff I'll already have the craft down." And for a while I even bought into this response myself, but ... One is not better than the other, and putting fanfic down on questions of morality or legitimacy or aesthetics is spectacularly missing every point. I only speak for myself here, obviously, but I write fanfic because I love interacting and having dialogue with the creative works that are close to my heart, and because being in a community of people who want to do the same thing is awesome beyond words.

Not entirely separately, I do want to be Published For Monies. Not all the stories in my head are dialogues with already-existing work, and while the fic-writing and the original-writing compulsion are related, I derive slightly different joys from each. I figure, if someone will pay me to do something that I love, that's excellent. (I also figure, if the universe turns out to be made of puppies and rainbows, I might end up having a tiny Yuletide fandom for my books or something. And that would be amazing.) But being Published For Monies doesn't make me a more Legit Writer, it just means I get money instead of comment threads. And even if I do manage to get published, I'm absolutely going to do what a handful of awesome fannish people do already, and keep writing fanfic.

So, with all due respect, fuck your legitimacy and moral policing, Ms. Gabaldon.

...And if that was too srs biznes, a couple of links!

1. A list of derivative works, like, y'know, Shakespeare and a bunch of musicals. Obviously new copyright law shifts the paradigm a bit, so I don't know how well it technically stands as a defense of transformative works, but it does get the damn point across.
2. Anti-fanfic bingo card. There's a bingo card for EVERYTHING, isn't there? It's sort of amazing how many of these Diana Gabaldon managed to go through.

[personal profile] feverbeats 2010-05-04 06:00 pm (UTC)(link)
THIS THIS THIS MOTHERFUCKING THIS. I hate having to use the "it's practice" excuse, because it's crap. I love writing fanfic. I love interacting with texts that I love. I love the very specific type of community that fandom has become.
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[personal profile] alwayswondered 2010-05-04 07:09 pm (UTC)(link)
It bothers me somewhat that she's referring to fanfic writing as a 'moral conundrum' in the first place. I really don't think it is one. It's a thing some people do that a small group of other people find annoying. Immoral? I don't think it means what you think it means, Diana.

I WISH I could write fanfic, but it's always been harder for me than writing my original stuff was (which I also can't do any more). There's so much more to get wrong, and people are so much more invested. If they love it, they might love it more because they already love the characters. But if they hate it, they'll probably hate it more for the same reason. Practice, WTF.
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[personal profile] thirdbird 2010-05-05 02:03 am (UTC)(link)
Oh, just, word times a million. I read that whole damn thing today and I wish I hadn't wasted the time on it, but it is so lovely when fandom defends itself eloquently in the face of TOTAL FAIL.

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[personal profile] elf 2010-05-05 03:03 am (UTC)(link)
Here from Metafandom.

otw_news held a series of posts, 1 for each line in the Bingo card. (The first seems to have lost the pretty graphic made by [livejournal.com profile] ciderpress.)

top row
2nd row
middle row
4th row
bottom row

Followed by a set of polls about people's favorite responses to the bingo points:
row 1, row 2, row 3, row 4, row 5

I'm always fascinated when a pro author rants about fanfic as if she had totally new and creative objections to it.
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[identity profile] teiwazmorning.livejournal.com 2010-05-05 10:18 pm (UTC)(link)
Wow. Her second post on the subject is even more bizarre-- apparently she never realized that people write fanfic "out of love"-- "That particular aspect had _not_ in fact occurred to me". That made me laugh (why DID she think people write fic? Out of spite?) but I actually really want to see where this goes, because the tone of her second entry is significantly more thoughtful and respectful than the first. By which I mean, she seems to have recognized her mistake in underestimating the size and intelligence of fandom, and is realizing that she may have bitten off more than she can chew in terms of the scope of the argument she's provoked.
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[personal profile] unovis 2010-05-06 12:02 pm (UTC)(link)
YES!
And THIS to every patronizing, kneeling to be kind, pro author explaining fanfic for us as "training wheels," "baby steps," and "teenage experiment."
I'm an adult, I'm a *writer*, and though I'm always learning, I'm not in training to write pro fic. Different disciplines, each with its own skills.

[here from metafandom]
Edited 2010-05-06 12:03 (UTC)
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[personal profile] tea 2010-05-06 01:46 pm (UTC)(link)
The other thing that makes me scratch my head about this "writing other people's characters isn't REAL writing" is... what about scriptwriters for television? I mean, isn't that all one glorified 45 minute fanfic of Somebody Else's Universe And Characters episode after episode, unless you happen to be a writer-creator?

(via metafandom)
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[personal profile] meridian_rose 2010-05-06 06:51 pm (UTC)(link)
Thank you. I feel the same way.
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[personal profile] tsukinofaerii 2010-05-07 02:44 pm (UTC)(link)
Here from metafandom, and word to the wordy word. Fanfic and Original Fic are two similar but different beasts. A Zebra and a Horse, if you will. Sure, they're related and can even interbreed, but that doesn't mean they're the same thing! I used to do the same thing as you. "It's practice!" But it's really not—it's completely different work, building from provided source materials versus from scratch.

When I was in 7th grade, we were given a science assignment. We were to create a method of dropping an egg off the football field bleachers that would allow it to land without cracking. We were told to use 7 straws, string, glue and seven Popsicle sticks. Everybody made something completely unique for the assignment, but they all used the same materials. This seems to me to be a great analogy for fanfic v. original fic. Someone who wasn't working from what they were given could have made anything, even an egg that would fly and land. But that wasn't the point, and would never be the point. So the egg in both tasks didn't break; that's like saying that birds and airplanes are totally the same thing because they both fly, yes?

I love my original fic. Maybe one day I'll publish. But that doesn't mean the unpublishable stuff isn't legit in and of itself. Or, to jump back to my analogy, just because I can make my egg fly doesn't mean I don't like working with straws and popsicle sticks.

(Pardon my incoherency; I am punch drunk on 3 hours of sleep.)

[personal profile] okelay 2010-05-08 09:00 pm (UTC)(link)
I don't think she quite understand the relationship between a fan and fanfic.
I think our view and her view is completely different. it might be a matter of age, of generation,of access, of her being an important and impressive professional writer, I don't know.

BUt to me, fic is an integral part of fandom. writing it,reading it, reviewing, beta-ing,yuletide, and the million other little things.
I'd have a hard time imagining fandom without it. sometimes I'm watching a show or reading a boook and I see scenes that are very short, I see a character that's unaccounted for and my mind wonders, what happened there and starts writing fic all on its own. I have a billion ideas in my head and I've only written a handful. I don't write them necessarily to practice. simply cause it's fun. sometimes I know I should write an o-fic, maybe for like a workshop or homework but I'd rather write this fic, this scene that's been going around my head for a while.

yeah,I want to be a Published Writer, hell,I want to write for the BBC. but if and when I make it, I won't stop. just because you write an idea one way doesn't mean it's the only way it happens. I have a few stories that have two or three version, I have one as the definitive and the others as fanfic. others stories in the 'verse I want to explore.

I've known people who want to be professional and a lot more who don't, who have no interest in it. and one of the things I love about fic is that everyone is in cause they want to, cause tey love it.
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[personal profile] minoanmiss 2010-05-12 01:51 pm (UTC)(link)
Well and truly said. *applauds*