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valinor spider party ([personal profile] aria) wrote2009-10-07 11:06 pm
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GIANT SCISSORS

Ugh, today instead of doing analysis for two shows I am going to try to just do analysis for one. I'm trying an experiment in "realistic optimism (??)" instead of best vs worst case scenarios. SO, EASTWICK.

By 'realistic optimism' I think I mean I am going to assume, for the moment, that [a] Darryl is definitely the Devil, even unto a fairly common interpretation of; [b] this does not mean absolutely everyone is not allowed to be morally gray; and [c] what this show is trying to make is a good romp for the womenfolk, and it has not fully examined all of its own unfortunate implications.

On the one hand: hypocritical priest of the highest order, and Darryl quoting 'God smites shit' passages of scripture, for the win. On the other hand: Mia does not feel too great about Gus dying, and Roxie, she previously of the Ominous Visions, has suddenly become of the Death-wishes Coming True, which seems directly Darryl-correlated, and that's ... not good? I'm possibly too tired to articulate this, and also I don't know how intelligent this show actually is so I don't know how I'm supposed to be interrogating it except probably from the wrong perspective! but -- despite the touching moment at the end, with Mia and Roxie expressing condolences to Gus's mother, I still ... uh, Darryl's argument is deeply persuasive. Has the writing gotten mysteriously better? (Probably; Roxie's one-liners had me actually laughing this week.) Does Paul Gross just know how to work a monologue? (Well, yes.) And then there's the problem of Kat, Raymond, and the magically appearing divorce lawyer card! Obviously Kat needs to leave Raymond, but Darryl's card probably expedited the process. Perhaps the moral of the story is that Darryl functions to assist Roxie and Kat in getting what they want, but he offers them easy solutions out of a slew of difficult options, and that isn't necessarily good. Or bad! It's a morally gray party?

I am also pleased that Darryl has his own motivations, ie manipulating Joanna into getting a story on the front page/getting the priest in trouble/getting to bulldoze flowers :( or -- I'm not entirely sure what he wants from Kat besides to fulfill the let-me-take-care-of-you wish, and I think he may be genuinely in love with Roxie, considering the way he keeps lingering over Bun. Which, uh, I hope she did not burst into flame or anything. Also that Celtic symbol is rubbish at warding off the Devil, so it'd better be useful for something else besides signaling that Bun and Eleanor and Jamie are crazycakes.

Ugh, god, I genuinely like this show and it is genuinely making me think. WHAT GIVES. I think this definitely calls for a round of "Haha, hell yes, Joanna was college-bi and Roxie is probably functionally bi all the time and Kat had a hot dress! And that wasn't the only threesome joke." OT3! Darryl can't come too; he's busy bulldozing flowers, the bastard.

But that's not important. What is important is that after the first episode I needed Darryl and Fraser to hang out in a joking way, but now I need it like burning. I want temptations! quotations! seductions! the ability to keep breathing while contemplating this! Seriously, I have a bit of time this weekend; I just might write this thing.
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[personal profile] spuffyduds 2009-10-08 03:40 am (UTC)(link)
It IS getting better! And yeah, Roxie was cracking me UP. Everybody seems looser, more comfortable? I don't know what order they were shot in; maybe they're just more used to each other?

And dude, PENNY. PENNY IS AWESOME. I LOVE HER AND I WANT HER CLOTHES. OR POSSIBLY THE OTHER WAY AROUND.

And it continues to be surprisingly great with its lack of food and body bashing. There was that one moment tonight when Jo offered Penny gummy bears and Penny made a face and I thought, oh shit, here is where Penny BREAKS MY HEART with "you know those go straight to my thighs," and, ha ha, NO. AWESOME.

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[personal profile] spuffyduds 2009-10-08 03:44 am (UTC)(link)
Was it "lady wood?" SNERK.
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[personal profile] oliviacirce 2009-10-08 04:47 am (UTC)(link)
I HAVE ONLY SEEN THE FIRST EPISODE OF EASTWICK AND I WATCHED IT WITH MY PARENTS AND NONE OF US COULD STOP LAUGHING, BUT IN CONCLUSION I WOULD READ DARRYL AND FRASER HANGING OUT (I typed that with a slash but then I took it out) SO YOU SHOULD WRITE IT.
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[personal profile] were_duck 2009-10-08 12:23 pm (UTC)(link)
Darryl and Fraser, YES PLEASE.

I missed the ep last night, I'll be catching up today!
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[personal profile] were_duck 2009-10-08 02:27 pm (UTC)(link)
Aria, ARIA I am watching it now and not five minutes in I'm a puddle of giggles on the floor! WHAT is Darryl wearing, I can't tell if it's hot or ridiculous, a PURPLE TIE! also "This is the face of concern." YES IT IS.

Also I tried picturing Roxie covered in canola oil and thought "eeeeeeew." and "I should make tempura soon." clearly that is not my kink.
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[personal profile] were_duck 2009-10-08 04:13 pm (UTC)(link)
I have now finished the ep!

Also, can Paul Gross say "oh em gee" more often plz?

I liked this episode! It had genuinely funny moments, and I liked Joanna. I wish they had pushed a little harder on the fact that she did exactly what Darryl wanted her to do because he's so devious. She played right into his hand because it would further her career and take down that pastor who was a jerk to her.

But it's pretty clear that Darryl has his own agenda, and that the women do well by not trusting him. But what is going on here? It's like... he's telling them to do stuff that I think they should do, too (Kat's divorce, for instance), but I *know* he's manipulative and suspicious and I feel weird about it. Like, get off my side, Darryl! I appreciate that about the show, it adds an interesting sort of tension.


Also, I was a little surprised we didn't get any Jamie after they did all that work establishing that he lives basically in Roxie's lap in the last episode. I feel like they forgot about him entirely in favor of the hanged attempted rapist. Maybe they're saving Roxie's premonition for the finale? I was sort of wondering if his hip burst into flames when Bun's papers did.

AND HOLY THREESOME BATMAN! "lady wood" was a little offputting but I did draw hearts around Joanna's Indigo Girls and college reference. Though I would be surprised if iPods had been in general use when she was in college... /pedantic

That whole Chad's little brother being into Mia thing was... weird. It would be weird to me to date the brother of my mother's boyfriend. But he seemed cute in a slightly oafish and very awkward way. Step up from Gus. I also liked the resolution on Gus, that there's a difference between being sad for his death and being sorry for it. That was a surprisingly subtle thing. Actually I liked that the Gus storyline never excused his behavior and kept focus on the women, you know? They actually handled that fairly well for network tv.

Mostly I love how comfortable they've grown together, how their friendship is so easy and supportive without being exclusive--Joanna and Penny are still pals, and the only person who seems to object to their friendship is Kat's husband, and, well. He's an asshole.
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[personal profile] carrieann 2009-10-09 09:30 pm (UTC)(link)
Later he's going to answer the phone in the dorkiest way possible, too! Oh Paul Gross.

YES. I totally forgot about that when I was writing my comment but. YES. OMG I WAS CRACKING UP SO HARD.
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[personal profile] missfuneralsong 2009-10-08 04:26 pm (UTC)(link)
GIANT SCISSORS.

OT3! Darryl can't come too; he's busy bulldozing flowers, the bastard.

THIS.

Seriously, I have a bit of time this weekend; I just might write this thing.

THIS EVEN MORE.

Seriously, Aria, what is it about this showww. And WHY ARE YOU HAVING SEX WITH YOUR DEADBEAT HUSBAND IN PUBLIC POOLS, KAT? Argh. Oh well. At least a divorce lawyer is happening, right?
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[personal profile] missfuneralsong 2009-10-08 07:11 pm (UTC)(link)
DO IT. This is all the input I have for you. DO IT.

:D?
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[personal profile] missfuneralsong 2009-10-08 07:14 pm (UTC)(link)
If you don't, then WHAT IS WRONG WITH YOU.
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[personal profile] wintercreek 2009-10-08 10:42 pm (UTC)(link)
Haha, hell yes, Joanna was college-bi and Roxie is probably functionally bi all the time and Kat had a hot dress!

That whole scene felt like a little present, didn't it? <3 <3 <3
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[personal profile] labellementeuse 2009-10-09 08:40 am (UTC)(link)
It's so funny, because I think the things I sort of was OK with in the episode are the opposite of yours! I didn't like the pastor story because I wasn't keen on Joanne's willingness to be used and sort of wilful ignorance. And I liked that Mia made Roxie question the way Darryl was manipulating her. Listen: I don't think rape survivors are obligated to feel pity or sympathy for their rapists. But I think that killing people is bad - any people. I don't think killing people is a rational response. I think the reason we have a legal system is so that our irrational vengeance responses are suppressed and I don't think stepping outside them is hot or empowering, because a society in which we allow our baser impulses to function like this is one which is ultimately bad for women, bad for minorities, bad for the poor.

OTOH, I kind of ADORED Joanne this episode - not necessarily her storyline, kind of in an I want to marry her way. CATWOMAN. ALSO ALSO I seriously SERIOUSLY wanted Penny's dress, like SERIOUSLY.

I think the whole Ray kidnapping the kids thing is what is really going to hurry along the separation, and I'm proud to say I called it the second time she found the card (the time she ripped it up.)
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[personal profile] carrieann 2009-10-09 09:26 pm (UTC)(link)
1. GIANT SCISSORS. "O M G". IDK, the way Paul Gross says things has me laughing. I think it's when you combine the facial expressions he makes.

2. The Celtic symbol: I never thought it had anything to do with warding off the Devil, since Jamie had it burned on him. I think its more than that, something about the power of three. I just don't know -what- exactly.

3. Speaking of Jamie, and Roxie's visions, I was expecting her to have more of them (the visions, that is). Obviously, Jamie hasn't attacked her in her store and started burying her alive. That's most likely something that won't be revealed until the end of the season. But since she didn't have any dreams, and instead is seeing dead people and having wishes come true, are Roxie's powers going to develop more throughout the show?

4. Darryl is very vain. I say this because he likes to have his face EVERYWHERE. THE PODIUM. THE BEER LABELS. I wonder if there's an alternative motive to this, or, yeah, he's just really vain. Or just showing off that "haha, I have this town under my finger and there's nothing you can do about."

5. Omg, now I'm get all think-y about this show. *facepalm*
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[personal profile] carrieann 2009-10-10 03:25 am (UTC)(link)
Seriously, the first time I heard Paul Gross say the f word? It was like WOAH cause Fraser does not cuss at all (unless he loses his memory and/or has a head injury). But, uh, Paul Gross could say that word to me any day. :D?